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You're listening to better than before breast cancer with the breast cancer recovery coach. I'm your host, Laura Lummer. I'm a certified life coach, and I'm a breast cancer thriver. In this podcast, I will give you the skills and the insights and the tools to move past the emotional and physical trauma of a breast cancer diagnosis if you're looking for a way to create a life that's even better than before breast cancer, you've come to the right place. Let's get started.

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Hey there, friends, welcome to episode 433

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of better than before breast cancer. I'm your host. Laura Lummer. I am so excited to share today's episode with you, because I am freshly back from the metabolic health day conference that was in Tucson, Arizona, hosted by Dr Nasha winters and the metabolic Training Institute of Health, and I have so many insights I want to share with you. It was such a great experience, and I have invited one of my very treasured clients to share her insights as well. I think it's interesting, because she's kind of new to the metabolic approach into training. She started training with Dr Nasha winter. So it's kind of neat to hear the different perspectives. And we come from very different parts of the world. So in a minute, I'm going to introduce you to Katie reesor. I want you to know a little bit about Katie. She was born and raised in Iowa, where she and her husband of 26 years have raised two sons who are now in their 20s, and her path as an advocate really did begin early, because with her youngest son, he had a severe peanut allergy, and later her oldest son had an autism diagnosis. And so those experiences really led her to work for eight years as a special education para educator, before she started her own septic business. She's a woman of many talents, and in that subject business, she found the strength in education and building relationships. And so at 43 Katie was diagnosed with triple positive invasive ductal carcinoma, and that was really a turning point that shifted her focus and deepened her search for healing. After completing her standard of care treatment, she began exploring what was possible, and she found the better than before, breast cancer podcast and my membership community, and through that, she's not only discovered the metabolic approach to cancer. But she has also started training with Dr Naisha winters in the terrain advocate program, which she's five months into, which is super exciting. And she's also become a member of my business creation mastermind. So Katie is all in in creating a life that she loves and a life that's better than before breast cancer, and she says that the finding the metabolic approach to cancer and the better than before breast cancer, metabolic health and mind coach membership has been a world of information and empowerment that she'd been looking for forever. So I'm super excited for you to hear opinions. I love Katie. She's a no nonsense kind of lady, and we're going to jump right into this, because I think that sharing these insights with you will help you understand so much about what is out there and available to you. And I hope that after you listen to some of the insights we share, that you go to the link in the show notes for this podcast, and you buy the recordings from the conference. Because if you could attend virtually or in person, everything was recorded, and now the recordings are available for sale, and there's so much information in there that is just a gold just gold nuggets. And I hope that you will go and have them and have watch parties with your family and your friends and spread the news the tools, the skills and the understanding of the metabolic approach to wellness. So without further ado, let's jump into this with Katie. Welcome Katie, and thank you for taking the time to be on the better than before breast cancer podcast. Good job. Thanks for being here. So I wanted us to do this show together so that we could help people understand, I guess, a lot of the information that's out there and available to them. And like, Why? Why attend a conference? What do you get out of a conference like that? And why so many people, I think, shy away from it? Because maybe they think it's not for them, or it's only for professionals or people who do work in that, but how much it can really help them. So I thought by sharing some insights from what we got, then people will have access to the recording. So if they want to go back and get more information, listen to some of these amazing speakers, then they can do that. But I think there was just so much valuable information. And you know, set I'll tell you a story. My daughter is working for someone who has stage four cancer, and it's colon cancer, and it was heartbreaking to hear what he's going through, because he's young and he's a young family, and what he's doing, how he's handling how sick he is from his chemotherapy. He. Then he just knows nothing about the metabolic approach, and that, even though my husband also is familiar with him and has mentioned, hey, maybe you want to call and talk to my wife, and he's like, Yeah, my doctor says, Dude, which is great. Like, we don't not saying, don't listen to your doctors. But, ah, it's so hard to see people go through that, and know there are simple things they could do to help them make the treatment more effective, which definitely wants his treatment to be effective for him, but also just to relieve so much suffering he's going through. So hopefully, by sharing some of this and well, I mean, I've got, what is this? 430 you, you've listened to every one of them. Katie, what episode is

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this? I have? Right? I think 432, maybe

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close, something like that, that people will get the idea that it isn't one or the other, it's not all or none. It's not conflicting, it's supportive, right? So let's start off with telling, I want to hear your story like, why did you choose to invest the time and the money into going to metabolic health day conference,

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yeah, you know, so I was, I'm this Christmas. I'll be four years out from my diagnosis, and I was triple positive breast cancer, invasive ductal carcinoma. Went through all of my standard of care, which, which was fine, you know, caught it early, and I have a wonderful oncologist that I really like, but there was always something that I was looking for, like I wanted something more, but I didn't know what to call it. I didn't know what it was I was looking for. I didn't know about the metabolic approach. And so, you know, made it through all of my treatments, but then, I don't know, a couple years into it, then I found your podcast, and I was like, This is what I've been looking for. This is the information that I wanted. This is the, I don't know, the supplementation is the right word, but this is the complimentary that I wanted to go with what I've been receiving. And so that's where I really dug into it. Started working with you a little over a year ago, and you know, have made a lot of those changes just from reading Doctor nation's book the metabolic approach to cancer, which actually, when we get done with this, I'm headed to my oncology checkup, and I have my book ready to give my give my oncologist and say, Here you go. That's awesome. And so, yeah, so that's, that's what kind of got me into the thought process of it always thinking in the back of my mind, you know, if I have a reoccurrence, guess what? I have this whole other toolbox of all this other stuff that I will want to do. And, you know, do do side by side with the standard of care? Because I think both of them have their time and their place for it, and using them together can be very powerful.

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And so even dialing it back, even before we wave, yeah, recurrence, aren't there? I know you've implemented lots of things in your life so that you never have to get to that point of having a recurrence,

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definitely, definitely, yeah. And so, you know, looking at all of that, learning all of that, then the conference itself was just an opportunity to go and just be submerged in it and get that much more information. You know, I started taking the terrain advocacy program started, I don't know, five or so months ago, last spring, I started down that path, and it really is the information that I've wanted, and just to dive in and dig in and get all that information is amazing. And for the conference itself, you know, for those that are thinking, Well, you know, I'm not a doctor. I'm not I don't want to go that, go to that and be intimidated. You know, there was people like myself who are brand new to the advocacy program. There was doctors. I sat at a table with a lawyer. You know, you didn't know who you were sitting by, and it didn't matter who you were sitting by. Everybody was eager to give information or help make a connection to a doctor in your state, somewhere or practitioner. So I thought that was really cool.

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Yeah, the sense of community. You know, I love going to conferences. I love learning. And, you know, there are some conferences that are just like sales pitches, that's always a Lummer, but those ones that are really informative and and hearing people's stories and just really immersed in the whole experience. Out of anyone I've ever gone to, there was nothing like this, where everybody wanted to know each other, everybody wanted to hear each other's stories, where there was and so let me roll back a second here, and can we just acknowledge the incredible Dr nature winters and what she is creating, and the movement she is behind. Because I think about, you know, her story, Cindy Kennedy is her business partner in the metabolic terrain Institute of Health, and they just met in 2021 I believe it was 2020 2021 so to go in four years from saying, hey, let's be business partner. Years to creating this and last year, I was at a conference. It was our metabolic health day. It was within a different conference, changing life and destiny conference, and Dallas, I think, was in Texas, somewhere in Texas last year, and this small room of those of us, many of us who were there, had just trained with nations. It was just our community. And we had one day in that conference where that we pulled aside and just did a community day. And I think about how many people were in that room, I don't I'm sure less than 100 maybe 100 to this year, over 400 people in the room, yeah. And I just look so forward to it growing more and more, because for every person who has this knowledge, or some form of this knowledge, and to put it out into the world in whatever niche they work in, or whatever people they work with, to just spread this knowledge and to see it grow is so it gives me so much hope, because it's just devastating To see the suffering out there because of broken metabolisms that people don't even understand are so easily simply, I'm not going to say easy, simply corrected, right, right, right. So, yeah, she's just utterly amazing and one of the most humble and one of the most intelligent and one of the most humble, truly caring. I mean, how many times did she get up as the emcee and speak? But was wordless and tearful and just so touched by what other people had shared was remarkable.

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Yeah, yeah. It was really cool to see. And she was out with everybody, you know, whether it was, you know, doing our breathing that morning or the Pilates or, you know, just passing her in the hallway, she would stop and give you a hug and say, You look familiar, but like, yeah. Just so genuine, so genuine. And

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this is one of the things that initially drew me to the metabolic approach when I was trying to figure out what to do with the stage four diagnosis was the authenticity of this approach and this program and her way of training practitioners, the bio individuality, the there is no one size fits all the test assess get don't guess. Test assess address, don't guess. You know over and over, learning what each person actually needs, and understanding that everybody is in a different place is, for me, just the most magical part of this whole approach and teaching people how to apply this approach to their own lives. So let's talk for a minute about some of the speakers, and we kicked off the conference so we had our own community day, which was just people who were trained, practitioners, advocates, aim, which is advanced integrative medicine practitioners, and all of us were in that room sharing stories. There were fantastic panels. There were just incredible mic drops. So yeah, mic drops, success stories, just fascinating. And I don't think those things are on the recordings. I don't know. I don't think they are. I think that's just for our community. Just for our community. But then there was the Friday. And Saturday was the kickoff for the general sessions for the conference. And it got kicked off by Dr Zach Bush, who, as a regenerative farmer, I thought was going to start talking about soil health. That's not what he that's not where he went at all. You want to share some insights, like, what, what did you think of that presentation, and what, like, what's the what landed with you?

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You know, I think he, I'm going to use the word energy, a couple of times. I went back. I went back and, you know, made some notes. He saw me. I had like, 115 pages worth of notes from the conference. And so I was trying to pull out a couple of the, a couple of the big things. And when he talked one, he just, I think he set the tone for the energy of the conference. But then one of the things that I had was just to feel the energy and that we are made from energy and like, everything is is energy, and everything is light. And so I think that really set the tone. And you know, you heard that time and time again from other speakers as well.

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Yeah, and this is such an important point, right energy and healing and disease, and there's so much understanding and knowing that it's an energetic vibration in the body at a cellular level that we have to be thinking about. And when I hear people walking around saying, Oh, I'm tired all the time, and I have so much fatigue, I'm like, Oh my gosh, you need to address that now. Like that is telling your body is saying, I'm losing energy. And when we lose energy, that at a cellular level, at a DNA level, our mitochondria is signaling you something is off, and it's time to start addressing it before it manifests into anything. And yeah, he and we talked about this at the conference. He was very. Transparent. And he just stood up and said, Hey, this isn't about standard of care or alternative care or complimentary care. It doesn't matter what anybody practices. We all have a 100% death rate. Everybody will die. And you kind of sit there going like, whoa, whoa, that's what's that about. And then he says, So are you going to make the most of this life? What are you going to do to make the most of this life? And oftentimes, when I'm working with people who are telling me like they don't want to change dietary habits, or, you know, they're talking about what they eat and how terrible they feel, you know, and they're bloated and their guts upset, and they have alternating constipation and diarrhea, and they can't sleep, and then they're tired all the time. And I just think like we're drawn to this food, for that dopamine hit, for that search for something that fulfills us and it's making us sick, and we're not able to enjoy the fullness of life when we feel physically ill, right? And when we stop and think about it like that and say, Wow, yeah, life is great and unknown, right? A lot of people fear the unknown. This is the fear of recurrence, is I don't know what's coming, right? And when we can stop and accept the truth like I never know what's coming, and I never have, and I never will, I never know what's coming in the next minute. And you know the story of like I was saying to you that if I took, say, five people and gave everybody a million dollars and said you could use this million dollars for anything you want, in any way you think would make your life better, you go spend it on everybody, buy it, invest it, whatever you want. Go and what would people want to know? Well, how much time do I have to spend it? And it's like, not going to tell you, maybe it's five minutes, maybe it's five years, maybe it's 50 years. But that's like, our gift of time in this life. Yeah, right. Is how much time do we have? We do not know, so make the most of it right now. And you know, with all the this science that he showed us about energy, right? And what happens to people's bodies and to our environment and to depleted soil when that energy level drops? Because it's energetics for everything, for every chemical, for everything in existence, was just so eye opening like I can't I haven't gone back. I told my husband, and we're gonna watch that recording of him together and review it together, because I just words. I can't put into words what that presentation meant and how it blew my mind, like he was just really remarkable, really remarkable. So I highly recommend people go get that recording and listen to Dr Zach bush and and just his view of the world and life and health and our connection to the earth, yeah, yeah. And what did you think about that? We heard a lot about nature and circadian rhythms sunlight. That was

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exactly it. That's the next thing I was going to mention was, you know, he kind of set that tone for for energy, for light and all of that. But then so many of the speakers, whatever their individual passion, was, that, you know, the DR Neisha still brought it all together. So much of it nature was brought up, or rhythms, or, you know, the circadian rhythms, any of that, it just all tied back together. Yep,

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when we stop and think about, you know, you hear the Paleo movement, we think of primal living, and they talk a lot about how our ancestors lived. And I think most of us know, I think I know one person in my life who was my second husband's grandma who hated nature, she loves cement and she loves cement and she loves cities, and she didn't want to have anything to do with grass or dirt of any kind, right? That's the only person that I've ever known who doesn't go outside or go to a forest or go to a beach and say, I'm so glad I did that or that felt so good, right? And when we return to and again, energy comes into play, right? Because we're connecting to the energy of the earth that can only be felt when we're outside in the sun, with our feet on the ground, breathing in fresh air, and it's just so vital to the energetics of our body. Yeah, right, that was, and again, such a simple thing, right? There's so many approaches here that are so simple, but it's those stories in our head that keep us from it. I cannot if I if I had a penny for every time somebody said to me, I don't have time for that. You know, I was on a call yesterday where a woman was saying, Well, I don't know if I have time to practice taking 10 breaths when she gets up in the morning before she starts her day. That's Wow. If you don't have time to take 10 breaths to support your nervous How long does 10 breaths take? One minute, two minutes. Yeah, you know as a four count in, hold four count out. So it's a total of 12 seconds each breath. So it's 120 seconds, two minutes. Yep, I don't have two minutes to get. Give to myself in a day. Now you know, you've worked with me long enough to know I'm calling bullshit on that, right? I'm saying Right, right. Let's break out the calendar. Let's look at your 168 hours and show me where you do not have two minutes. That is our story about and that is our own lack of prioritizing ourself. And what do you think about the messaging we heard about stories from people who realized, I got to love myself, I've got to prioritize myself, right?

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Yeah, you know, and so much so, many of the stories were on self care and the mental and emotional part of it. I can't remember who it was that had said this. I'm going to back up just a little bit towards what we were talking about with Zach Bush talking about, you know, the death. And this wasn't him. I just don't remember who it was, but they had said, Don't be afraid of death so much that the fear is what makes you sick and die. So you know to that, you know that that's relating back to the to the death piece of it. But just your example right there. If you don't have the two minutes to make, to take those breaths once a day, you know you're just contributing to that, and you're probably on, you know, the hamster wheel, thinking that's all you're worrying about anyway. I mean, obviously, if somebody was working with you, that was, that's a concern, that's something that's there on their mind about being healthy. But then take the two minutes. I mean, yeah, yeah. And this is yeah. So that was just a reoccurring theme the whole weekend, yeah, yeah.

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Of people, even we heard speakers talk about who, like the one woman presented, she had had stage four breast cancer, and she had talked about, I always ate well, I always exercise, I did all the right things. And in the western mentality, that's our formula, right, eat right, and exercise and stay hydrated, but we don't realize or factor in the stress factor. And when she spoke about her illness, and was like, I did all the right things, but man, did I have a lot of stress in my life, and honestly, Katie in all the years now that I've been coaching people, this is the hardest thing for people to address the emotional component, right? There's challenges because of our stories and our addictions and our connections to food. No question, there's challenges, right? But to deal with and understand how to process emotional pain is terrifying for most people, right? And we have all these stories. I don't want to feel it, I don't want to relive it, I don't want to go through it again. And we've got to address those stories with curiosity. Because what is it that you think about tools to help you support reducing stress in your life and calming your nervous system that maybe you just don't realize. There is an abundance of tools out there. There are abundance of approaches out there, and it is not true that if you go there, you'll never stop crying. That's not true, right? No one in the history of the world has ever not stopped crying, but crying also is healing. Like it was interesting when I was at the vendors, and I got a infrared sauna at the conference. And the gentleman that was selling the saunas, I was there with another woman from our community, and she came up and she said, I think I need some sauna. And she was just in tears. Her face was red and puffy. She goes, I can't stop crying today. And I said, good for you. Good for you for letting stuff out and letting yourself heal today. That's That's great. Why would you hold that in? Right? It's very healing. And he turned around, he put her in his sauna, and he came over to me, he said, I'm so glad you said that. And he shared a story with me of two people, his mom and a dear friend that he's lost in the last couple of months, and how painful it is, and how he says, And when you gave her permission to cry, and you said, Good, it's okay, he says, I felt like I wanted to start crying, he says. And I realized all the times I want to cry that I don't let myself and I said, Man, you got to let yourself. Tears are full of oxytocin, you know? They're healing, yeah, tears heal us. We've got to let ourselves feel our emotions, you know, so I think that was a huge factor, and something that however many times you need to hear it, and however many different ways you need to hear about it before it lands with you, keep listening to people talk about it so that you can find a way that works for you to explore right, what to let go of, right? And, you know, you and I talked about this a little bit before, but that doesn't just mean big traumas, right? It doesn't mean I was molested, I was assaulted, I was abused. So many things traumatized us in our life, and so many things leave an impression about our own sense of worthiness from the time we're children that we don't even remember or realize have left that impression Right, right? But like the woman who wouldn't take two minutes, that's not because her schedule is that busy, that's because she believes her time has to go to everyone around her before it can come to her and everyone else has needs that are prioritized. It's over her needs, right? So it comes back to why is that? And what she would say is, you know, in my culture and in my family, you know that's what you're supposed to do as a mom and as a wife and as a woman in our community, right? You're supposed to take care of everybody else. Meanwhile she's sick, right? Yeah, it's fascinating,

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yeah, yeah. There was just a huge emphasis the whole weekend about, about the self care, and so much of it is, you know, we take it all for granted, but there's so much of it that doesn't cost a thing either. You don't have to go, you know, like the breathing example, you know, that doesn't cost anything. And sure, there's plenty of things, and we saw plenty of vendors that had things that would make our lives more convenient, or, you know, all of the things that are there that will definitely improve our quality of life, but you don't have to use any of it, all of it. There's so much that you can do just on your own. And that was reiterated time and time again, too, throughout the weekend.

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And we do, I think we go to the high level, right? When someone wants to make a change, they go to, I've got to hire this naturopath and buy those supplements and do hyperbaric oxygen. And we have to come back to, are you getting outside? Are you seeing sunlight first thing in the morning, or are you seeing your phone? Are you taking a break in the afternoon to get outside and breathe in some fresh air, right? Are you getting processed foods and sugars and flours and grains out of your diet, or at least minimizing them tremendously? Are you doing the three low hanging things? Are you learning to use your voice in your relationships? Are you learning to state your needs with compassion and have your needs met right and make decisions on whether or not you allow toxic people around you or only to have a supportive community around you. All that, like you said, is free, and all that is life changing. I mean that stuff will heal you,

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and those are the things that are available anywhere you know, you and I have talked you live in a metropolitan area. I live where, you know, pretty rural. So there's a lot of those therapies that are just not readily available where I live. But all of that that we just talked about, anything nature related, there's, there's just still so many things that can be done.

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So yeah, and speaking of nature, we heard a lot about toxins, and we know toxins is a big deal. And I believe, and I see, and I hear all the time that people, as soon as you start talking about detox, patient again, we go to, what are those things? Not colonoscopies, but colon cleansing, you know, yes, home cleanses, and we go to all of the, again, hyperbaric oxygen, expensive therapies and treatments when there is a plethora of low hanging fruit for detoxification, one of them are food. So we heard, what did you think about the chef's garden farmer Bob Jones?

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Oh, he was, he was really fascinating. And you know, we've talked about this before growing up in the Midwest and the rural areas. I mean, I'm I'm looking out at fields right outside of my right outside my window. But you know, one of the things that he did talk about and touch on initially was, you know what farming was in the 80s and and I don't know how it was around the rest of the country, but, you know, farming in Iowa in the Midwest was hard in the 80s, and so he he recognized that and talked about that. But also, you know, he took that towards the emotional aspect of that as well. So he touched on that. So I really appreciated his little history lesson on that for people that that weren't aware of that, because we still see that today. But you know, just him talking about like, food is health and food is medicine, and talking about the nutrient depletions, and so he, he really cycled through how, how their farm was forced to evolve over the years because of the hard farming times and now how he is a regenerative farmer. And I just he was fascinating to listen to. I really, really enjoyed

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him. Yeah, he is fascinating. The story is fascinating because the whole family is involved in that story, and their product is fantastic. I order from the chef's garden regularly. They're ahead of what is her name, Emily was on my podcast while back. Do you remember hearing her? She talked about how they have a pharmacy beginning with F, right, and they're the Yes. They're looking at how they can feed their soil to increase the nutrient content in their food, which increases the flavor. And when you order from chef's garden, they go out and hand pick your order, put in a box and ship it over to you. So this is something I think is important, because we want to talk about we don't want to just hear this information and then walk away going being overwhelmed, which there were some. You know, overwhelming information. There was this, this balance, which I think we have in life anyway, of the Oh, geez, that's depressing and oh, that's so hopeful, right? Successful stories of loss and stories of struggle and stories of overcoming things, I think we have to be able to put them into balance. But when it comes to looking at our food, and I speak with people about organic as much as possible, the very first thing most of the time, before I've even finished the sentence, is that's expensive. And I think when we have that story, we already shut ourselves down. We don't say what, what, what alternatives are there, or how can I do it? Or how can I subsidize my food? How can I get in more? And maybe we don't realize the impact that these pesticides have on our health. So you, again, you just said you live in a rural area in Iowa. I live in a suburb in Orange County, California. Things are very accessible to me. I'm very fortunate to live where I live. I have an organic store, literally a stone's throw away from me. So how do you once you came to this metabolic approach? And you know, geography is an issue for you, not just for your physical appointments that you go back and forth to, but the the lifestyle changes you want to make in your life. What solutions Did you walk away from when you after this conference?

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Yeah, so, I mean, I know my local grocery store and, you know, big box store that has just a very, you know, literally, literally a two foot wide, here's your organic produce to choose from. And, you know, we kind of talked about this before. I was thinking about this other day. I thought, Winter's coming here, and what am I going to have available? Because one of the things that they talked about at the conference, I don't remember the exact, you know, percentage in days, but for how old produce is when it reaches, you know, when it reaches the store, whether it's organic or not, and how much it decreases in nutrients. I think it was 10% each day, but, you know, so and it takes, I think it was like an average of 10 to 14 days to get to you. So, you know, even if it's organic, you know that the nutrients are just fairly well depleted by by the time you get to it. And so, you know, there's local farmers markets. I've got a farmer just two miles down the road from me that they do organic farming and they go to the farmers market. So I've really made it a priority this year to, you know, whatever she brings back from the farmers market. I stopped by their place and pick up, you know, some spinach or whatever she has at the time. And you know, we've got a farmers market in our town, which is like 10 miles away, but, you know, to get to a larger one, it's like 25 miles away to a larger farmers market. So, yeah, it's there. So, so having that option to be able to order and have it shipped right to my door, you know, that's something definitely that that I'll be looking into.

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Yeah, and there was another company there. I think it was flow, glow flow. It was a organic, low carb meals that they deliver everywhere in the country. I have to look up the name of that. I'll link to it in the show notes here. But yeah, lots of options. And so thinking about the expense of it, I think an important thing to realize is that if we look at our society with, you know, 6% of people predicted to be metabolically healthy, and I don't know the statistics now, but it's well over half of the adult population overweight or obese and dealing with metabolic issues, diabetes going through the roof. Do we really need to be eating as much as we're eating. Are we over spending on food? Because we're under feeling and under connected to each other. We're not fulfilled with life, so we're looking to fill ourselves with food all the time, right? And you know, can we going back to connection and energy? Right? It was all about connecting to your body, connecting to people around you, feeling we heard some panels talking about the social and emotional support, speaking to the fact that people want to feel seen and heard and cared for, right and if we can reallocate our money into things that care better for our body when We put it in our body so that we feel better and we're not fatigued all the time, then we have the energy to connect more with other people, you know? And it's like health is about so much more happiness, and life is about so much more than just food and exercise, you know, right, yeah, right. That's pretty cool. I think it's just so important speaking more about solutions. So like we know when we hear about farming crisis, which I was blown away, because I don't live I have a farmer's market that I go to on Sundays, but I don't live by any farms. And when I see when I'm on the road traveling somewhere and I see farm Friday. Or organic strawberry stands, or things like that. You know, I always love to stop at them. I had no idea how much farmers were struggling and what they're going through in our society. And so I was, I love the solution, that I can support them, that I can make a priority to go and buy my food from regenerative farms, that I can go to farmers markets. And I think for people in rural communities, I think about my daughter in law, on my stepdaughter, who lives on a farm in Florida, and they have all kinds of eggs of every color and size imaginable, right? They've got eggs, they've got goats, they've got all of this stuff and a big garden. And then the some of their neighbors have cows and pigs, and so they exchange like food, you know, she'll give them eggs, and they'll give their pork belly and things like that. So, you know, can we be more creative with our resourcing of the way we support each other, so that from a grassroots movement, we can help people, you know, while we're helping ourselves to be healthier too. Yeah, right, right. I think that speaking of the whole, the whole approach of soil to soul, you know that if our soil and our dirt and our food isn't healthy, how in the world can we be healthy? Was really remarkable, and let's talk about one of the stars of the show and one of the stars of people's lives. Dr Mindy Peltz and hot flashes and menopause and managing hormones, this is another thing right where you know there's this hormone replacement therapy debate, is it safe? Is it dangerous? Is it okay? Is it not okay? Is it horrifying? But again, have you addressed the low hanging fruit? Right? How did that land with you? How did her talk land with you?

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Oh, she was again. She was so full of energy. And I said it before that, I'd use that word, you know, a lot of times, but she was, she just just the passion again. And all the speakers, they all had their own passion. And yeah, if you can feel it and hear it from her, then I don't know what you were doing, but you know, she's got several books, and she's got another one that's going to be coming out in December, so I'm excited to see that one. But you know, she just, you really don't have an excuse, myself included. To You know, you need to get out there and try some of this. And like you said, the low hanging fruit. What can you do to support your metabolism? You know, the your glucose, all of that, yeah, she, she makes it very blatant,

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yeah, oh yeah. She is remarkable. And I drove to the conference, so I had a seven and a half hour drive home, so I really listened to her menopause reset for more inspiration and reminders. And I literally, I was driving there, and I thought, you know, I play Bunco. So there's a group of 12 of us that get together once a month and play Bunco. And I thought, I need to buy the menopause. Why am I giving this to all of my friends? Because when we sit around a Bunco, everybody's like hot flashing, fanning themselves, you know, and while they're drinking a glass of wine or having a bite of the dessert. And I'm not saying don't ever have a bite of dessert, but I'm saying, let's look at what you're really doing because insulin sensitivity and insulin resistance, as she addressed so eloquently and so energetically, like we have to look at that. Do you know your HBA 1c Did you know that if you if you can improve your insulin sensitivity, that you can decrease these hot flashes and discomfort and fatigue and inflammation? But I think you know, again, low hanging fruit is, again, simple to see, but not easy, right? Because then we're like, but I don't want to give up my glass of wine, or I don't want to give up my Margarita, and I like to go out, and I like to have a cupcake every day and and that's fine, but be honest with yourself, and be honest with yourself. I am doing these things, and they are working against me, and the misery that I'm going through, in part, is being fed by these choices, right and self inflicted, self inflicted, right? And if we can work through the thoughts and the behavior change and say, let me address these things, and then maybe I don't have to risk my health with this therapy that you know half the world says is is a miracle, and half the world says will kill you, right? Who knows? But why put exogenous hormones into your body when it's not a hormone thing in the sense that this one hormone in your body went awry, it's a metabolic thing. It's a whole approach, right? Yeah, and so and again we she came back to detox. Like, it's the same steps over and over, right? It's like, there there are universal laws that support manifestation. There are universal laws that support healthy financial budgeting, or, you know, ways of managing your money. Me, there are universal laws that say, do these things to support the wellness of your body. Focus on detox in a very toxic world, do what you can to support yourself. So we touch on that. Let's come back to it for a sec. Detoxification, I think, is a very overwhelming topic for most people. We went off on the farming thing, because we're talking about glyphosate in our food, and if we can find more organic food, we can lower our consumption of these pesticides. But also, let's talk about EMF, you know, electromagnetic frequencies, but we love our phones. We're on a computer now. I work online, you know. So there are lots of conveniences in life that we're not going to get rid of, and we're not going to go live in a cave, right? But we can make changes to support ourselves. What are some of those changes you walked away with?

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Yeah, you know, I'm always the wireless earbuds and so, you know, I made sure to pick up some wired ones. You know, there's just, it's one of those things that, you know, we know it, and I think we become complacent because we're around it all the time, yeah, kind of forget about it and push it to the back burner. But, you know, I'm really glad that my that my kids are, you know, the age that I didn't we didn't have iPads and we didn't have phones and everything when they were little, little. But, you know, that's what it is today, and the research that was out there, again, a very passionate speaker, Deborah Davis, I don't know I said her first name, right? But yeah, yeah, she's the book disconnect, and she's done some other work. But, you know, she is just a walking encyclopedia with all of the statistics and all of the research. And you know, after coming, after being at the conference, I'm like, I'm going to listen to this podcast. And, you know, picked up a whole bunch more podcasts to listen to, and it happened that I was partway through one that she was on when I went to the conference. So I got to, you know, pick up and finish the rest of it this week on my way home. And, you know, same thing, like everything that she said at the conference she was saying there, and it's just, it's, it's something that needs to be you need to pay attention to

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it. We do need to pay attention to it. And again, it's like, we don't have to, we're not going to get rid of all of our wireless devices. We know this. We're not going to that's like saying and everything else we're talking about. We've got to find a way that works for your lifestyle and what you eat and how you sleep and how you manage your circadian rhythm. But there are things we can do. Like my husband was asking me when I was telling about the EMF talks. I said, Man, you know, this is real, like, this stuff is very real and having a very real impact on everything. You know, the photos that she showed of trees that are close, oh, yeah, cell towers. And that side of the tree dying off, and you can literally see the tree bending away from the cell phone tower is just that's remarkable, you know? And it's like, what am I supposed to do? And I said, Well, you know, some suggestions to just cut it down, or do turn off the Wi Fi at night, keep your cell phone out of the room, or at least not next to you. And a lot of people want their cell phone there, because what if there's emergency, if someone I care about in the middle of the night, maybe get a landline so you don't have to have so much exposure to EMF, and so you always have an emergency line for those people that are closest to you that you're concerned about, turning off the Wi Fi at night, so you just lessen the exposure, putting your cell phone or even your fitness devices on airplane mode when you're not using them to specifically track something, you know, just little ways that we can lessen our exposure and support ourselves and doing things to detoxify, like red lights on us to help, you know, detoxify the body. And I know we can put those in our homes. And it doesn't have to be the full on, like I got the little foldable one that looks like a giant frisbee when you put it in the case. You know that, you know that we can manage these things, to get them into our life, to support ourselves.

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Yeah, even she had said, even, like putting your phone in a fanny pack or in a in a purse and not having it right, you know, right on your body, just just getting that an inch away from your body just makes a difference.

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Yeah, yeah. And, you know, the studies that we saw that showed how women who put it in their bra or boys who put them in their pocket, and how it impacts the sperm count and breast cancer risk is pretty compelling to figure out something else to do, or EMF protective cases and things like that, just to support your body. If we want to use the tools, let's support ourselves in lessening the damage they can do to us at a cellular level. Yeah, because, again, everything is energy. That energy has got to go somewhere that comes from these wireless devices, and it's going to go into us, right? So we have to think about that impact. So. Let's talk quickly about some of the vendors, because the speakers were amazing. The knowledge that's out there is amazing. But again, what do you do? What are the solutions? How do I use less toxins? How do I use a where do I find a who even heard of a probiotic toothpaste or a probiotic skin cream? And we think about feeding the healthy bacteria in all areas of our body and all of our systems. And I think that the vendors, it's so wonderful, because we get to know that there are natural products that are effective. And so I had shared with you, and I was there, I have hand and foot syndrome. I'm on a chemotherapy called zalota, and the toxicity builds up in the hands and feet, causes the hands and feet to dry, crack, bleed, and they mostly just feel burned all the time. So I was looking for a solution. I was looking for people saying, like, what do you have that could help with this so it's more comfortable? And I found the homeopathic Uriel, u r, I E L, which I'll link to here, they suggested a copper rose gel for me. And I was like, no copper, because copper can stimulate angiogenesis. And they're like, No, it's homeopathic. So the copper itself is not even detectable, and it's just really the energy of copper. Well, when you hear something like that, you're like, oh, okay, as the energy copper gonna work, you know, and homeopathy, a lot of people just disregard it, right, as some hippie thing. And so I said, I'll try it. And I think I told you, after the first they gave me several packets, and after the first packet, I said, huh, I actually am noticing a difference here. Yeah, right. And I did order a bottle of it, which I'm very excited to get. But what? What were some of your favorite vendors? And there was another one there with a pain patch that people were raving about that doesn't put any kind of your body. So what?

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Yeah. So what would you like people to know about? I tried that pain patch, and I you'll have to look it up. I can't remember what their name was, but I tried that same patch, yeah, I think so yeah, for my feet, you know, I'm on AIS and so I have the joint pain. I have the, you know, the foot, the ankle pain, and that lady took them and stuck them, not even against my skin, but just in my shoe, between, you know, my sock and my shoe, and I would say it took away like 75% of the pain within about 15 minutes and now, and you know, I didn't even really think about it a whole lot, but even the last couple of days now, I haven't used it, and I am still noticing a difference. So, you know, and to have something that's just, that's not invasive, that's not, you know, like, like, again, your concerns with the copper, anything like that, you're like, I don't know if I really should be using that or not. Yeah. So that was really cool. Yeah, there was

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works on frequency, right? Again, energy. That works on balancing energy in certain areas. And you're not the only one. Like there were multiple people who said to me, oh my God, have you tried this Pain Pad? I have a bad knee, and I put it on and I can't believe how good I feel. And my son was here visiting when I got home, and he has pain in his hip. He's a snowboarder, always jumping off stuff. And I said, Here, try this. And we put it on his hip. And he said, by the end of the day, he goes, I am really noticing a difference in my hip. Yeah, it's pretty cool stuff. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, there was everything from

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essential oils to, you know, more red light therapies, the labs, some of the different labs were there. Yes, there was just very affordable, you couldn't get to them all. Yeah, the

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kbmo, which I'll link to here. And I did that test while I was there. I'm very excited to show the video for Friday. Yeah, and the kbmo is a test where it's looking at not only food sensitivities, but gut barrier health. And so it's a newer test on the market. It's got lots of great science behind it, and there are certain factors they're looking for in the blood. It's a blood test, and there are certain factors looking for in the blood that can give you an indication of not just food sensitivities, and you're sensitive to this or not sensitive that, but which of these foods are causing the problem you're experiencing? Is how he explained it, right? Because a lot of times I'll do a gut test, and some gut tests show us bacteria, which are the ones I prefer, so we can see the levels of healthy bacteria versus pathogens and all that. And others show food sensitivity. But there's like, they can give you a range and say, because of the bacteria in your gut, you're probably more sensitive to these. Eat more of this. But I've never seen a test that says, But these foods specifically are what are causing your problem right now? And that's what he says this kbmo test does.

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Yeah, that'll be very cool to see. Yeah. Mm, hmm, yeah.

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And that was my only thing, like, I wish I could have gotten to more vendors. There were so many great speakers. And the conference was, oh, there was yeah, that I didn't have a lot of time to be out there with the vendors. And there was also, as it allatura skincare, yes, lovely skincare line, yeah. And I heard great things about that product. So I've ordered their gold serum, which is supposed to be an amazing anti aging serum. But I think this is the thing, when people hear about natural products, is we often think they're not effective, you know? And most of the time, because when we go to switch our chemically laden household cleansers to other things, well, no, they don't work as well. It doesn't work as good as Scrubbing Bubbles, right? And so we have that same thought when it comes to skin care. But there are some really great lines out there. I use one beauty from bees. I love it. It's a honey based line. And we were talking about, some woman came up to me and said something about, it's nice that we have these things because, you know, I have to let my hair go gray. I can't color my hair. And I was like, Oh, my I color my hair. I use henna. It's totally natural. And she's like, Oh, I don't even know about this, right? So I think that's another great thing, is to expose ourselves to things that are out there, that are beneficial and and effective. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. What other any it was just really,

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oh, the other takeaway, I mean, I can't wait to go back again

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October 10. Everybody put it on their calendars,

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Yeah, most definitely, most definitely, just just the energy and the people, just having so many like minded people all together in one space. You know, the days were packed. You definitely, you definitely got your money's worth. I mean, you couldn't have put anything more inside of that. But it was, it was really good. And the hotel was gorgeous. The people, yeah, the people that you meet, yeah, and, you know, and I went there, I knew, you know, I knew you and I knew one other person when I was going to be going there. And you know, you meet so many other people that it doesn't matter that you're going if you don't know anybody. Just a huge community. Really cool,

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really cool. Yeah. And the connection, I think, comes back to energy again, right? Being in this place where we can really connect to people, and I feel like in our society, in our communities, we have, like, developed this fear of each other, you know, like, instead of saying, Oh, how many people are going to be there, wow, I'm going to get to meet all these new people and get exposed to all these new perspectives people are, how many people are gonna be there? Oh, oh, I don't. I don't want to go around that crowd, which is kind of sad. You know, it's really sad that we're so disconnected from each other. So that connection is important that and I told you the stories we're gonna share the story on the podcast, two things that happened, and it's like, when we're around other people, there's such a synchronicity sometimes, and I don't believe in coincidences. I believe everything is exactly as it's supposed to be, and people are exactly where they're supposed to be. And so the book by Dr Tara Swartz, who's a neuroscientist, and she wrote the book called the source, which talks about neuroscience and the science of manifestation and how our brains were designed and can be designed and wired to create the lives we want to live. And so she wrote this book, and a few months after, I think it's a few months anyway, her husband was diagnosed with leukemia, and he died six months after his diagnosis, and she was devastated. So she long, long story short, she ends up writing a second book about her experience and how she sees signs and actually has seen and communicates with her husband, and she wrote this book now called the signs. And the signs is saying basically, like there are so many signs in the world that come to us, and our brain is capable of seeing all this stuff, if we don't talk ourselves out of it, if we allow ourselves to see these signs and know that we are way more connected to the universe than just this physical existence leads us to believe. And so I'm reading her book, walking on the beach. This is a few days before the conference, and I'm thinking, Okay, I want this sign because there's some questions coming up, and my doctor wants to make some changes in my treatment. I like my treatment. And so I was like, Okay, I'm going to ask for a sign. And in this book the sign, she says, Be very clear. This is part of the sign. Be very clear. Say this is what I want to know and this is what I want to see to get my answer. And I was saying, I want to see this sign that if I'm on the right path for my healing and I need to trust myself and keep moving forward with what I believe is right. I want to see this sign. And the sign I asked for was a Gold rose. And I thought, you know, there's not gold roses everywhere, so I think that's pretty unique. It's like I could ask for a red rose and see them all everywhere, right? I want. Gold rose day three. So I did this practice every morning. This is the third day. Was the first day of the conference, and we went and sat down at a table, and the woman that came and sat next to me was wearing a black chiffon shirt covered in gold roses. And then you came to the ball that night wearing these brand new pair of sparkly shoes that were rose gold shoes, yeah? And I just thought, wow, you know, and it's being around people that gives us opportunities to experience these things, right? It was so cool, yeah. And then the second thing was, when we were at the ball, and this was just so wild, right? The ball was October 11, which was my five year anniversary from being diagnosed with stage four cancer. And you know, only 20% of women diagnosed with the stage of widespread meds, like I had make it to five years. And then once you make it to five years, your chances of making it to 10 years increase even more, which is really exciting. And so we're sitting at the table. It's a very special day. It's like, this is my anniversary. This is a butterfly ball. I'm so grateful. And this woman joins us, the only one we didn't know at the table, comes and sits next to us and starts talking. And when I'm asking her where she's from, she tells me it's a city not far from me, in a city that I worked in before, when I was God, back in 2020 when I was still working for a company, and she seems familiar, and we exchange information and says, I'd really love to work with you. I have some breast cancer patients I'd love to send your way, and when I get back to my room, she has texted me her full contact information because I only asked her first name, and she is the doctor that diagnosed me with breast cancer in 2011 What are the odds out of all the people in the world, right? Like, Out Of All the Gin Joints here on that night, this doctor from 14 years ago was a naturopath I was working with because I something was wrong. I could tell something was off. I was trying to figure out how to feel better. And she didn't work in conventional medicine, but she was covered by my insurance. And after my diagnosis, I moved on and went to start working with oncologists and my GP. And yeah, that was just so wild to me. And then since then, we've texted a couple of times, and she's like, Let's get together. Let's have some coffee. Let's talk about working together. I have some people I want to send over to you. And I'm like, how full

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circle? Can you full circle, right? Yeah,

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then this woman I went to for healing 14 years ago before getting a breast cancer diagnosis, and then, and it was interesting to me now, because knowing what I know now, I thought, isn't that funny that I didn't continue to see her, right? But it was that 14 years ago was like, Oh, now I have cancer, and I dropped the naturopathic care and went straight into conventional and didn't even ever think about doing them both at the same time, right?

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And, you know, the odds for, you know, I mean, I was in that room, so I know how many people were in that room, so the listeners don't have any clue, but how she ended up literally right beside you out of all of those tables in that whole room, it's just yeah, full circle moment for sure. So wild, so cool.

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Well, it was a fantastic experience, and I'm so glad I got to share it with you and get to meet you in person, because that's wonderful. And yeah, I'm gonna link to the videos. I hope that, you know, we've inspired or motivated people to get the videos and watch them and listen to these talks and get some resources for yourself, because they're absolutely fantastic. And this was the inaugural big general conference, because, like I said last year, our community had one day to itself, and and Naisha and Cindy Kennedy and their team at Mt ih were just like, No, this has to be on a bigger stage, a bigger scale, with more people. So this was the inaugural one, so we can expect another one next year, October 10 metabolic health day. So mark your calendars and put it in your mind, manifest that shit like I'm going to be at the metabolic health day conference next year, you know and know that there's just so much, not only just great stuff to learn, but just the connection of the people. Because everything you know change is not easy to do, and the more we are connected to and associated with and learning from people that are like minded and forward thinking, the easier it is for us. I think to implement them, the more motivating, right? Because we can live backwards into old behaviors very, very easily, and the more like, even just on a day to day basis, when I can feel myself sliding into, like, God, another handful of supplements, right? Or I'm creating something in my business, I'm just like, Oh God, this is taking forever, and I'll notice that, and say, Okay, I need to listen to I need to talk to one of my coaches. I need to listen to a manifestation podcast. I need to get some supportive information that takes my brain to the future that I want, right? And I think that associating and being in communities and. Conferences like that really helps us with that rewiring of the brain.

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Yeah, very motivational. I have a huge list of books that I need to read or listen to and podcasts and, yeah, you know, knowledge is power, and there's just, there's so much, so much,

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so much on a huge list of people that I need to invite to speak on this podcast too, so more people can hear them. Such good stuff,

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most definitely, most definitely. And, you know, and I think we, we did bring up Dr Naisha, but I think we'd be again remiss if we didn't talk about her closing, you know, in her call to action for us, every, for everybody you know her, her final, final hoorah at the convention was just again, so moving and so touching. And I wrote down, I don't know that I have it exactly right, but the one of her parting thoughts was, health is not a goal to chase. It's living terrain to tend. And I thought that that really summarized everything that everybody talked about so much,

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so much. Yeah, it was one of the most it was the most moving closing of any conference I've ever attended. It wasn't like a conference closing, it was literally like someone had invited hundreds of their friends and we were all here connected to a very meaningful cause. It was there were moments of just wordlessness and silence and taking it all in. There were tearful moments, and there was just when it ended, like people just stood there, right? It wasn't like people like, I can't, Thank God this is over, right? People just stood there like you really felt that energy and passion about this. Give me more. Give me more. Yeah, this is so meaningful, yeah, yeah. It was really awesome. And what a great way to close out our podcast by an amazing closing, yeah, at a conference. Thank you so much for joining. Absolutely. Thanks for

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having me. It was great.

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You've put your courage to the test, laid all your doubts to rest. Your mind is clearer than before, your heart is full and wanting more. Your future's at the door.

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Give it all you got no hesitating. You've been

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waiting all your life. This is your

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moment. This is your moment.